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Was the symbolism of the smashed Spino skeleton good enough for you?
#21
(03-19-2017, 10:06 PM)NeonMediaKJT Wrote: Definitely enough. I can't think of a scenario where a T-Rex v Spino rematch would work without seeming forced.

That's cuz there isn't one Tongue
#22
(03-20-2017, 05:46 AM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-19-2017, 10:06 PM)NeonMediaKJT Wrote: Definitely enough. I can't think of a scenario where a T-Rex v Spino rematch would work without seeming forced.

That's cuz there isn't one Tongue

There are some scenarios in wich a rematch can work without being forced.

One would be the underground animal fights. Like people who organize dog fights or rooster fights (as cruel as they are) but they are very common. And in the cannon of the movies dinosaurs now seem to be a common everyday thing, well there could be millionaires trying to arrange fights between a T Rex and a Spino, and then PETA would react to it and it goes along with the theme of JW2 (and the series) wich is dinosaur rights and man being arrogant with nature.

The other scenario could be a scene in either isla sorna or if it is on a city, everyone knows in Jurassic at some point everthing goes crazy and many dinosaurs escape, so it is not that strange to have both a Rex and a Spino bump into each other and fight among the chaos. After all these are 2 top predators. And top predators often fight each other like Lions and Hyenas.
Link to the T Rex Spinosaurus rematch petition in Jurassic World 2 that Colin Trevorrow noted. We hope everyone joins and help us share it.

https://www.facebook.com/Petition-to-hav...920665797/
#23
(03-20-2017, 07:54 AM)Rex Revenge Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 05:46 AM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-19-2017, 10:06 PM)NeonMediaKJT Wrote: Definitely enough. I can't think of a scenario where a T-Rex v Spino rematch would work without seeming forced.

That's cuz there isn't one Tongue

There are some scenarios in wich a rematch can work without being forced.

One would be the underground animal fights. Like people who organize dog fights or rooster fights (as cruel as they are) but they are very common. And in the cannon of the movies dinosaurs now seem to be a common everyday thing, well there could be millionaires trying to arrange fights between a T Rex and a Spino, and then PETA would react to it and it goes along with the theme of JW2 (and the series) wich is dinosaur rights and man being arrogant with nature.

The other scenario could be a scene in either isla sorna or if it is on a city, everyone knows in Jurassic at some point everthing goes crazy and many dinosaurs escape, so it is not that strange to have both a Rex and a Spino bump into each other and fight among the chaos. After all these are 2 top predators. And top predators often fight each other like Lions and Hyenas.

From an in-film perspective that might not seem forced, but from an outside perspective it would still seem incredibly unnecessary and look like nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to appease the ever dwindling sect of people who still think the idea of a rematch is relevant.
#24
(03-20-2017, 09:08 PM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 07:54 AM)Rex Revenge Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 05:46 AM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-19-2017, 10:06 PM)NeonMediaKJT Wrote: Definitely enough. I can't think of a scenario where a T-Rex v Spino rematch would work without seeming forced.

That's cuz there isn't one Tongue

There are some scenarios in wich a rematch can work without being forced.

One would be the underground animal fights. Like people who organize dog fights or rooster fights (as cruel as they are) but they are very common. And in the cannon of the movies dinosaurs now seem to be a common everyday thing, well there could be millionaires trying to arrange fights between a T Rex and a Spino, and then PETA would react to it and it goes along with the theme of JW2 (and the series) wich is dinosaur rights and man being arrogant with nature.

The other scenario could be a scene in either isla sorna or if it is on a city, everyone knows in Jurassic at some point everthing goes crazy and many dinosaurs escape, so it is not that strange to have both a Rex and a Spino bump into each other and fight among the chaos. After all these are 2 top predators. And top predators often fight each other like Lions and Hyenas.

From an in-film perspective that might not seem forced, but from an outside perspective it would still seem incredibly unnecessary and look like nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to appease the ever dwindling sect of people who still think the idea of a rematch is relevant.

Like I always say, art is relative and subjective. If something is forced, neccessary or unnecessary in a film it depends on who is looking at it.

If you look at Jurassic World you will see that a lot of the things that happened in the movie were considered by many to be fan service just for the sake of nostalgia (Return to Nublar, another park, visit to the old visitors center just to see it, riding the old jeeps, making the raptors look like the old JP design instead of the updated JP3 design). 

So one could argue that Jurassic World had plenty of forced and unnnecesary fanservice if one prefers a franchise to only bring new things. But others really enjoyed the references, and nods to the original film that they grew up with. Wich one is wrong and who is right? Neither are. What is neccessary or unnnecessary or forced depends on what fan in particular is looking for.

By the way, the fact that the topic of the rematch is still being talked about (and arguably still the most controversial topic in the franchise) even after 16 years tells you that it is still indeed a very relevant topic not only among hardcore fans but also some of the casual fans.
Link to the T Rex Spinosaurus rematch petition in Jurassic World 2 that Colin Trevorrow noted. We hope everyone joins and help us share it.

https://www.facebook.com/Petition-to-hav...920665797/
#25
(03-21-2017, 07:12 AM)Rex Revenge Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 09:08 PM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 07:54 AM)Rex Revenge Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 05:46 AM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-19-2017, 10:06 PM)NeonMediaKJT Wrote: Definitely enough. I can't think of a scenario where a T-Rex v Spino rematch would work without seeming forced.

That's cuz there isn't one Tongue

There are some scenarios in wich a rematch can work without being forced.

One would be the underground animal fights. Like people who organize dog fights or rooster fights (as cruel as they are) but they are very common. And in the cannon of the movies dinosaurs now seem to be a common everyday thing, well there could be millionaires trying to arrange fights between a T Rex and a Spino, and then PETA would react to it and it goes along with the theme of JW2 (and the series) wich is dinosaur rights and man being arrogant with nature.

The other scenario could be a scene in either isla sorna or if it is on a city, everyone knows in Jurassic at some point everthing goes crazy and many dinosaurs escape, so it is not that strange to have both a Rex and a Spino bump into each other and fight among the chaos. After all these are 2 top predators. And top predators often fight each other like Lions and Hyenas.

From an in-film perspective that might not seem forced, but from an outside perspective it would still seem incredibly unnecessary and look like nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to appease the ever dwindling sect of people who still think the idea of a rematch is relevant.

Like I always say, art is relative and subjective. If something is forced, neccessary or unnecessary in a film it depends on who is looking at it.

If you look at Jurassic World you will see that a lot of the things that happened in the movie were considered by many to be fan service just for the sake of nostalgia (Return to Nublar, another park, visit to the old visitors center just to see it, riding the old jeeps, making the raptors look like the old JP design instead of the updated JP3 design). 

So one could argue that Jurassic World had plenty of forced and unnnecesary fanservice if one prefers a franchise to only bring new things. But others really enjoyed the references, and nods to the original film that they grew up with. Wich one is wrong and who is right? Neither are. What is neccessary or unnnecessary or forced depends on what fan in particular is looking for.

By the way, the fact that the topic of the rematch is still being talked about (and arguably still the most controversial topic in the franchise) even after 16 years tells you that it is still indeed a very relevant topic not only among hardcore fans but also some of the casual fans.

Maybe, but those bits of fanservice aren't as divisive as the Rex vs Spino thing. Adding another Rex/Spino fight would surely bring out the worst in the fanbase, just as the JP3 scene did. Arguments and fights galore. I can't imagine anybody wanting that.

I say let sleeping dogs lie.
#26
(03-22-2017, 01:24 AM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-21-2017, 07:12 AM)Rex Revenge Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 09:08 PM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 07:54 AM)Rex Revenge Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 05:46 AM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote: That's cuz there isn't one Tongue

There are some scenarios in wich a rematch can work without being forced.

One would be the underground animal fights. Like people who organize dog fights or rooster fights (as cruel as they are) but they are very common. And in the cannon of the movies dinosaurs now seem to be a common everyday thing, well there could be millionaires trying to arrange fights between a T Rex and a Spino, and then PETA would react to it and it goes along with the theme of JW2 (and the series) wich is dinosaur rights and man being arrogant with nature.

The other scenario could be a scene in either isla sorna or if it is on a city, everyone knows in Jurassic at some point everthing goes crazy and many dinosaurs escape, so it is not that strange to have both a Rex and a Spino bump into each other and fight among the chaos. After all these are 2 top predators. And top predators often fight each other like Lions and Hyenas.

From an in-film perspective that might not seem forced, but from an outside perspective it would still seem incredibly unnecessary and look like nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to appease the ever dwindling sect of people who still think the idea of a rematch is relevant.

Like I always say, art is relative and subjective. If something is forced, neccessary or unnecessary in a film it depends on who is looking at it.

If you look at Jurassic World you will see that a lot of the things that happened in the movie were considered by many to be fan service just for the sake of nostalgia (Return to Nublar, another park, visit to the old visitors center just to see it, riding the old jeeps, making the raptors look like the old JP design instead of the updated JP3 design). 

So one could argue that Jurassic World had plenty of forced and unnnecesary fanservice if one prefers a franchise to only bring new things. But others really enjoyed the references, and nods to the original film that they grew up with. Wich one is wrong and who is right? Neither are. What is neccessary or unnnecessary or forced depends on what fan in particular is looking for.

By the way, the fact that the topic of the rematch is still being talked about (and arguably still the most controversial topic in the franchise) even after 16 years tells you that it is still indeed a very relevant topic not only among hardcore fans but also some of the casual fans.

Maybe, but those bits of fanservice aren't as divisive as the Rex vs Spino thing. Adding another Rex/Spino fight would surely bring out the worst in the fanbase, just as the JP3 scene did. Arguments and fights galore. I can't imagine anybody wanting that.

I say let sleeping dogs lie.

Fans are already very divided on a number of other issues, the feathers and accuraccy issue, the hybrids plot, ext. It is something that happens on every fanbase. See the DC VS Marvel rivalry, fans often argue wich one is better, or the Star Wars fans of the originals VS fans of the prequels those argue a lot and it has not torn apart the fanbase, the Star Wars fanbase is still arguably the largest. So when someone brings up the ´´There can not be a rematch because there could be arguments between some fans´´ I´m like...yeah just like with every other franchise and at the end of the day nothing happens, everyone goes home and likes what they like and dislike what they dislike. If the main argument against the rematch is being worried of internet arguments, then no movie can do any idea whatsoever. Because most ideas generate arguments on the internet. 

And If a rematch were to happen, it would not be the exact same reaction as the JP3 Fight. 

That time it was, infamous newcomer takes down franchise icon
This time it would be franchise icon takes down infamous newcomer

Not the same circumstance, plus, when you factor in that there are a lot more T Rex fans than Spino fans, and that The Rex is also a favorite among the casual audience, while the Spino is infamous with the casual audience, the idea of the Spino losing would not cause anywhere near the controversy of the Rex losing.
Link to the T Rex Spinosaurus rematch petition in Jurassic World 2 that Colin Trevorrow noted. We hope everyone joins and help us share it.

https://www.facebook.com/Petition-to-hav...920665797/
#27
(03-22-2017, 06:56 AM)Rex Revenge Wrote:
(03-22-2017, 01:24 AM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-21-2017, 07:12 AM)Rex Revenge Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 09:08 PM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 07:54 AM)Rex Revenge Wrote: There are some scenarios in wich a rematch can work without being forced.

One would be the underground animal fights. Like people who organize dog fights or rooster fights (as cruel as they are) but they are very common. And in the cannon of the movies dinosaurs now seem to be a common everyday thing, well there could be millionaires trying to arrange fights between a T Rex and a Spino, and then PETA would react to it and it goes along with the theme of JW2 (and the series) wich is dinosaur rights and man being arrogant with nature.

The other scenario could be a scene in either isla sorna or if it is on a city, everyone knows in Jurassic at some point everthing goes crazy and many dinosaurs escape, so it is not that strange to have both a Rex and a Spino bump into each other and fight among the chaos. After all these are 2 top predators. And top predators often fight each other like Lions and Hyenas.

From an in-film perspective that might not seem forced, but from an outside perspective it would still seem incredibly unnecessary and look like nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to appease the ever dwindling sect of people who still think the idea of a rematch is relevant.

Like I always say, art is relative and subjective. If something is forced, neccessary or unnecessary in a film it depends on who is looking at it.

If you look at Jurassic World you will see that a lot of the things that happened in the movie were considered by many to be fan service just for the sake of nostalgia (Return to Nublar, another park, visit to the old visitors center just to see it, riding the old jeeps, making the raptors look like the old JP design instead of the updated JP3 design). 

So one could argue that Jurassic World had plenty of forced and unnnecesary fanservice if one prefers a franchise to only bring new things. But others really enjoyed the references, and nods to the original film that they grew up with. Wich one is wrong and who is right? Neither are. What is neccessary or unnnecessary or forced depends on what fan in particular is looking for.

By the way, the fact that the topic of the rematch is still being talked about (and arguably still the most controversial topic in the franchise) even after 16 years tells you that it is still indeed a very relevant topic not only among hardcore fans but also some of the casual fans.

Maybe, but those bits of fanservice aren't as divisive as the Rex vs Spino thing. Adding another Rex/Spino fight would surely bring out the worst in the fanbase, just as the JP3 scene did. Arguments and fights galore. I can't imagine anybody wanting that.

I say let sleeping dogs lie.

Fans are already very divided on a number of other issues, the feathers and accuraccy issue, the hybrids plot, ext. It is something that happens on every fanbase. See the DC VS Marvel rivalry, fans often argue wich one is better, or the Star Wars fans of the originals VS fans of the prequels those argue a lot and it has not torn apart the fanbase, the Star Wars fanbase is still arguably the largest. So when someone brings up the ´´There can not be a rematch because there could be arguments between some fans´´ I´m like...yeah just like with every other franchise and at the end of the day nothing happens, everyone goes home and likes what they like and dislike what they dislike. If the main argument against the rematch is being worried of internet arguments, then no movie can do any idea whatsoever. Because most ideas generate arguments on the internet. 

And If a rematch were to happen, it would not be the exact same reaction as the JP3 Fight. 

That time it was, infamous newcomer takes down franchise icon
This time it would be franchise icon takes down infamous newcomer

Not the same circumstance, plus, when you factor in that there are a lot more T Rex fans than Spino fans, and that The Rex is also a favorite among the casual audience, while the Spino is infamous with the casual audience, the idea of the Spino losing would not cause anywhere near the controversy of the Rex losing.

Why is it even necessary? Jurassic World made 1.6 Billion dollars at the box office without a Spino/Rex rematch.

Yes, there are arguments within every franchise, but this is an avoidable one.

And regardless of which dinosaur is more "popular", why go to such extreme measures to alienate the "Spino fans"? Take a look at the other posts in this thread. For literally every other person here, the symbolism in JW was "more than enough". Back on JPLegacy the mindset was pretty much the same.

Furthermore, Trevorrow has a vision for this franchise going forward. A story that he wants to tell....A story that likely doesn't involve a "rematch". I for one wouldn't want him to compromise that vision just to appease a vocal minority.

At the end of the day, the only thing that a rematch would accomplish is pissing off a sect of the fanbase to appease another that, quite frankly, doesn't need appeasing.

T. Rex is the star. He is the king. He's the dinosaur that most people want to see, regardless of what happened in JP3. Why can't that be enough?
#28
Part of thinks the rematch should happen with the Rex being victorious so the supporters of it can be pleased but part of me still thinks it's not necessary.

As Tyrant Lizard said "T. Rex is the star. He is the king. He's the dinosaur that most people want to see, regardless of what happened in JP3. Why can't that be enough? ".

Fans of franchises always take things way to personally and I'm definitely guilty of that but we are way older since JP3 came out so I think it's time for more maturity with older fans. Let the young fans complain on what they dislike about in different franchises so they can eventually learn it's pointless.
#29
(03-22-2017, 03:46 PM)Dr. Wu Wrote: Part of thinks the rematch should happen with the Rex being victorious so the supporters of it can be pleased but part of me still thinks it's not necessary.

Part of me thinks the rematch should happen with the Spino kicking the crap out of the Rex again just for the lols.

And I say that as a Rex fanboy.
#30
(03-22-2017, 03:14 PM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-22-2017, 06:56 AM)Rex Revenge Wrote:
(03-22-2017, 01:24 AM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote:
(03-21-2017, 07:12 AM)Rex Revenge Wrote:
(03-20-2017, 09:08 PM)Tyrant Lizard Wrote: From an in-film perspective that might not seem forced, but from an outside perspective it would still seem incredibly unnecessary and look like nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to appease the ever dwindling sect of people who still think the idea of a rematch is relevant.

Like I always say, art is relative and subjective. If something is forced, neccessary or unnecessary in a film it depends on who is looking at it.

If you look at Jurassic World you will see that a lot of the things that happened in the movie were considered by many to be fan service just for the sake of nostalgia (Return to Nublar, another park, visit to the old visitors center just to see it, riding the old jeeps, making the raptors look like the old JP design instead of the updated JP3 design). 

So one could argue that Jurassic World had plenty of forced and unnnecesary fanservice if one prefers a franchise to only bring new things. But others really enjoyed the references, and nods to the original film that they grew up with. Wich one is wrong and who is right? Neither are. What is neccessary or unnnecessary or forced depends on what fan in particular is looking for.

By the way, the fact that the topic of the rematch is still being talked about (and arguably still the most controversial topic in the franchise) even after 16 years tells you that it is still indeed a very relevant topic not only among hardcore fans but also some of the casual fans.

Maybe, but those bits of fanservice aren't as divisive as the Rex vs Spino thing. Adding another Rex/Spino fight would surely bring out the worst in the fanbase, just as the JP3 scene did. Arguments and fights galore. I can't imagine anybody wanting that.

I say let sleeping dogs lie.

Fans are already very divided on a number of other issues, the feathers and accuraccy issue, the hybrids plot, ext. It is something that happens on every fanbase. See the DC VS Marvel rivalry, fans often argue wich one is better, or the Star Wars fans of the originals VS fans of the prequels those argue a lot and it has not torn apart the fanbase, the Star Wars fanbase is still arguably the largest. So when someone brings up the ´´There can not be a rematch because there could be arguments between some fans´´ I´m like...yeah just like with every other franchise and at the end of the day nothing happens, everyone goes home and likes what they like and dislike what they dislike. If the main argument against the rematch is being worried of internet arguments, then no movie can do any idea whatsoever. Because most ideas generate arguments on the internet. 

And If a rematch were to happen, it would not be the exact same reaction as the JP3 Fight. 

That time it was, infamous newcomer takes down franchise icon
This time it would be franchise icon takes down infamous newcomer

Not the same circumstance, plus, when you factor in that there are a lot more T Rex fans than Spino fans, and that The Rex is also a favorite among the casual audience, while the Spino is infamous with the casual audience, the idea of the Spino losing would not cause anywhere near the controversy of the Rex losing.

Why is it even necessary? Jurassic World made 1.6 Billion dollars at the box office without a Spino/Rex rematch.

Yes, there are arguments within every franchise, but this is an avoidable one.

And regardless of which dinosaur is more "popular", why go to such extreme measures to alienate the "Spino fans"? Take a look at the other posts in this thread. For literally every other person here, the symbolism in JW was "more than enough". Back on JPLegacy the mindset was pretty much the same.

Furthermore, Trevorrow has a vision for this franchise going forward. A story that he wants to tell....A story that likely doesn't involve a "rematch". I for one wouldn't want him to compromise that vision just to appease a vocal minority.

At the end of the day, the only thing that a rematch would accomplish is pissing off a sect of the fanbase to appease another that, quite frankly, doesn't need appeasing.

T. Rex is the star. He is the king. He's the dinosaur that most people want to see, regardless of what happened in JP3. Why can't that be enough?

Jurassic World made a ton of money because of Brand name recognition. It was more or less the first major thing Jurassic in 14 years. But that does not guarantee that literally everyone liked everything in it.

And the goal of the rematch is not really to make Spino fans feel bad or alienated. But rather to correct what JP3 established that that species is much much greater than this species.

Careful with using Jurassic Park Legacy as evidence on how many fans want the rematch because the topic was banned there. Anyone who dared to show support of the rematch the mods would mock them ban them and do everything they could in their power make it seem like nobody wants a rematch when in reality many still do (though some afraid to admit it for fear of being ridiculed).

You may nod need appeasing but you have to remember not everyone feels the same way you feel, for others it ruins their series, they dont like watching JP or TLW and being reminded everytime that the Rex is there that there is this other species that always takes them down. Thats what they want corrected.

That´s why the nod is definetley not enough. By the way I hope you can read our petition on my signature, we explain each and every one of the misconceptions that you have in there very well.

(03-22-2017, 03:46 PM)Dr. Wu Wrote: Part of thinks the rematch should happen with the Rex being victorious so the supporters of it can be pleased but part of me still thinks it's not necessary.

As Tyrant Lizard said "T. Rex is the star. He is the king. He's the dinosaur that most people want to see, regardless of what happened in JP3. Why can't that be enough? ".

Fans of franchises always take things way to personally and I'm definitely guilty of that but we are way older since JP3 came out so I think it's time for more maturity with older fans. Let the young fans complain on what they dislike about in different franchises so they can eventually learn it's pointless.

Because people are not pissed off because about the level of popularity of the T Rex or debating if it´s the icon of the franchise. That is not the issue.

The issue is that it was established in the third film that this other species will always humilliate them with ease.

Also keep in mind that this is not an age issue and neither is it fans fault. It is Jack Horner who wanted it to be this way, fans are only reacting to it. If one does not like something they don´t. Regardless of their maturity. Trying to change it does not take away anything from their charácter.
Link to the T Rex Spinosaurus rematch petition in Jurassic World 2 that Colin Trevorrow noted. We hope everyone joins and help us share it.

https://www.facebook.com/Petition-to-hav...920665797/


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